Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: The Oasis Management Interview

Foreign this is We Are Not Afraid, the podcast that exposes the truth among all the lies.

I am your host, David McClam.

You are listening to Exposing the Witch Hunt of LaDonna Humphrey.

Episode 18, the Oasis Management Interview.

What's going on, everybody?

I am glad to be back.

So we continue to finish out this series.

If you heard my programming note, I told you that I have been gone for a while dealing with family issues, a couple of deaths to be exact.

And now I am back.

Before I begin, I do want to say rest in peace to our dear friend Keith, who is no longer with us.

He was a big part of Hollywood.

You guys may not know his name, but you've definitely seen his work as he was the creator behind those nice big screens that plays all the in memoriams and all of that.

He actually built technology that made that.

Run that every company uses.

So when I talk in my last segment about people who actually wins Emmys.

For something they've actually done that is.

Bettering people's lives, he will be one of the people.

So rest in peace to Keith.

That's where I was handling some business, taking care of these deaths.

But I am back and we're going to continue on on this journey that I have set forth.

Yes, I already know Javier Lea is back with his shenanigans.

I told you about that in the programming note.

We are definitely going to talk about it.

I definitely got some people need to be talked about and dragged.

I know all of what's going on and a lot of it is because there is a fight that he wants to continue that I'm just not willing to do.

As a podcaster, I know when it is time to produce something and I know when it's time to shut that production down.

So I want you to know, no matter what's going on or what's happening, we are not afraid to steal.

On the five episode course of shutting this down, this is the second episode of that which is the Oasis management interview.

Just like with the residents, I want you guys to pay attention to what the management is saying.

No one has forced them to say anything.

No one even knew who I was.

Which you will hear that in this interview.

Also, if you are not deaf, you will be able to hear the emotion in which these ladies are speaking.

And that is something that you cannot fake or manufacture or somebody to threaten you to do it.

If somebody threatens you to do things like that is going to sound completely the opposite.

As always, unlike my counterpart, Javier labor that has spent the last now going On a year.

Okay.

So remember that the interview you're going to hear was shot when I was in Arkansas back in February.

Since I've been gone for a time, they haven't come out in the time frame I wanted.

So you're going to hear for almost eight months, it has been almost 12 months now, that Javier Lever has been lying to you and has not done the one thing that I've always done with you, which is be transparent.

And that's not going to change now.

So in full transparency, when anybody wants to run out, say anything, Ladonna Humphrey was present at this interview.

If you want to be mad at anybody, be mad at me.

Couple of reasons.

One, everybody deserves to defend themselves.

If this was a court of law right now, do you think that they would have these ladies or anybody else come up that wants to testify without Ladonna Humphrey being able to hear what they said and rebut to that?

No, because she has a right to face her accusers.

And even though she is not facing accusers here, she certainly is talking to her accusers, which is Javier Lea and his sham of a podcast where he lies on people.

The second reason is I am in.

A house full of ladies.

Ladonna is the director, which means she is the overseer of these houses.

No men are allowed on campus.

I got special privileges and passes to be there.

So I wanted her, as a director, to be present so that nothing did happen.

No one could accuse anybody of anything happening.

You just have to take those precautions.

Not that these ladies would do that, but let's just say something was to come down and they asked Lana where she was at.

She may be in trouble.

She said, well, I just left them there.

You can't do that.

I'm also gonna be transparent with you and say that, yes, Ladonna did speak in this episode to certain things about Javier Leverage.

That is her right.

But as always, I've never lied to you.

I will not start now.

I asked this at the very end.

This was not staged.

These ladies were not coerced to say anything.

These ladies was not forced to say what they said, even if Ladonna was there.

They even talked to her directly into the episode.

Well, it even told her, you don't ever let nobody do this to you again.

So you will hear all of that.

If I had anything to hide, I certainly wouldn't be transparent, now, would I?

You also are going to hear some things in this episode that you've never heard me talk about before.

And me and Ladonna will Go maybe deeper into some of these things when I interview her, which would be the episode right before the last one.

All right, so without further ado, I'm going to allow you to go ahead and hear the this interview.

I want you to listen to everything these women are saying.

I want you to listen to what is being discussed.

I want you to listen to exactly maybe what the Pretend podcast has done to ladonna Humphrey that you've never heard me discuss before or even on my end.

Maybe this gives you a little bit more insight of what happens when you try to destroy somebody's life at the end.

I will be back, give you my closing remarks and we will be done.

Here it is for you guys, the Oasis of Northwest Arkansas management interview.

All right, so just so we get the purview of meeting with the management now or Voices of Arkansas, Northwest Arkansas.

You guys know I'm David McClam.

The last eight and a half months, I have launched a podcast called We're Not Afraid.

The first season of that is called Exposing the Witch Hunt of ladonna Humphrey.

As you guys may know, there is two evil people that is trying to take ladonna Humphrey down.

There's Anthony Christopher and then there's Javier Leyva.

Javier Leva is the host of the Pretend podcast.

As you guys probably know, that Anthony Christopher is a guy that committed Medicaid fraud that ladonna had the courage to blow the whistle on.

And from there, he has decided that he would do whatever he could to ruin ladonna's life, including her business life, because he, in his words, would do whatever it takes to bring the bitch down.

I do have a letter that's not for David that actually says that he told somebody this and it was actually taken by a court reporter and it was stamped.

So we know that it is true.

I have to say, allegedly with that.

But because of the way things are going to be, I believe 140% everything that thing is said.

But that's why I'm meeting with you guys, because now we want to kill some rumors on the management end.

Some of those, you heard me ask the other ladies, but I'll ask you guys directly as the managers of this program.

So let's start with some of the big allegations that you probably heard me say some of these, but that's come across.

Anthony Christopher had put out a petition that stated that there was a lot of things wrong with Oasis of Northwest Arkansas.

Among these things was that the staff was getting heavily paid.

Ladonna had her ring of friends so Anita and the board is considered to be her ring of friends who was all benefiting from this.

And I'll ask you these one by one, but I'm just giving you the premise of what they are.

The houses are very unclean.

They're overrun.

I think at one point they even tried to say that she couldn't legally own the two houses there.

We got all that killed.

There's men here that the women feel unsafe, that there is no organization.

As far as ladonna doesn't know where anyone is.

Right.

So basically what they're saying is, you guys can.

Residents can roll in here and then roll out in the middle of the night and nobody will ever know it and they'll go somewhere and what.

Yeah, I know this sounds far fetched, but these are things that were said.

They actually went as far as going to the district attorney with these.

Okay, so that's why some of your visits started to happen.

Now, the one thing I would tell you is ladonna or Anita, nobody from the staff has ever said, don't come.

They've actually pretty much said, whoever wants to show up, show up.

So that's the basis.

So I'll ask you guys some questions, but that's what we're dealing with.

These are just not all.

I mean, it comes down to money taxes.

He cried for the last year almost that there could be no taxes.

Right?

That they wouldn't produce taxes.

And if you ever go back and listen to my podcast, episode one, dude, you would see that I laugh at a lot of things because I'm like, dummy, this is how the IRS works.

If you walk into her office at Oasis and say, I want a copy of these tax forms, she had by law to give them to you.

But they wouldn't do that.

They just want to belly ache and part of my friends bench because they felt like that ladonna and Oasis should come to their whim, bow on their knee and say anything to give you.

Before I ask you the questions, I will tell you this about the director, ladonna, before all of this started happening.

And I think this is very important for you guys to know this.

If you've listened to the pretend podcast or heard any of it, especially the two ladies that went on the show and basically lied, I was called if you listen to episode three, I believe, because I told Javier Levy, if you go in live on anything I said, I will produce my whole entire interview.

Ladonna gave him several names to call.

I was one of them.

I was in my car with My wife.

At that time, he tried to have me at a disadvantage because he knew I would not be home.

My wife was facing surgery, but my wife had the wherewithal to turn her phone on.

She goes, I don't trust this guy.

So I have a holding recorded.

He came with certain accusations about her ex author.

He has accusations about how things was going with Oasis.

He asked if I knew anything about house fires and things of that nature.

I told him what I knew.

I told him that, no, this is not true, that Elisa Lockhart was just trying to bury her along with this other guy.

But at the very end of that, I promised him.

I said, because I felt like he was going to do something he shouldn't do.

And I said, if you do this, I'm coming for you.

Because the way that her case is with the whole entire thing dealing with Medicaid fraud, she can't talk about this guy.

And so they felt like the ladonna had no voice.

And I waited about a month before I ever launched anything.

So I want you guys to understand that none of the stuff you've heard or will hear or have heard is true.

I have all of the documents, I have all of the evidence that she sent to Javier Leyva that proved all of her innocence, including people that she should have talked to in various episodes of that podcast.

I have talked to several of them.

I've interviewed a few of them.

Anita being one of them.

Okay, so just want to put it out there.

She did none of this stuff.

She is perfectly innocent.

I have all of the evidence.

If I needed to prove that to you, I don't think I need to, but I wanted to let you guys know that, so.

But when the podcast first came out, everybody was, what's going on?

It's none of my business if it doesn't affect what's going on here.

I know that woman.

I know what she does for us.

I know this program.

So everything that was said on the podcast is none of my business, because I know her and I know my.

Home in a lot of facets.

At the beginning, it didn't deal with Oasis.

Right.

Problem was as.

As the podcast went on and the effect that they wanted to have was not having the wild part with me.

So this would have been done in three episodes until I got told.

Ladonna.

Yeah, from doing journalism for as long as I have, I've been podcasting almost nine years.

This was supposed to be done in three shots.

And out of that three shots, these things should have happened.

Her marriage should have Crumbled.

Her kids should have nothing to do with her.

And at the end of it, they wanted her to kill herself.

Right.

So this is where it was.

They didn't feel like she had a voice of anybody that could come and say anything because they felt they had it wrapped up.

Right.

And that's where I came in.

So the parts of it with you guys is let's talk about ladonna as the director.

First of all, before we get to that, we won't mention the names, but you guys do know that there's two ex residents that did go on his show.

One of them actually went on what he called YouTube Live.

He did a live and had her there prominently.

And the lies that I had heard, because from walking this, it was totally a lie.

I think the girls in the live and said that pretty much ladonna had kicked her out along with her children, wouldn't let her back in the house.

That she was mean and that she was evil.

That there has been a lot of times that not only has she abused other women here, but she also was a subject of that abuse.

Any abuse of any kind or anything that the ladies you've heard this episode said is any of a truth.

No, I think Sam Perry and I are the only ones that were here for that particular.

Okay, yeah, I've heard there was a podcast.

I have no desire to even know what was said on it because, like, she said, like, she's done nothing but help me.

Like.

So I guess it's ask this question because I've been battling with my friend ladonna for a year to convince her that everybody in the world, because I understand how podcast stats work, does not know about this podcast.

So how many of you guys have actually listened to the Pretend podcast for like two seconds?

And I did it just.

I didn't know about it until ladonna and the board came to campus to bring it to our attention.

She said, this is what's going on.

These are the accusations that they're making.

And, I mean, she gave everybody an out.

She said, if you don't feel comfortable here or if you don't feel safe here, let me know and we will find you somewhere to go.

I will help find you a place to go.

Those are almost her exact words.

And, you know, I.

I'd be lying if I said for a second, my heart didn't stop because I just closed my DHS case.

I was just getting my kids, you know, on a regular, consistent basis.

And it did.

It scared me for a minute because I.

From November to August, I hadn't had many kids for six hours a week.

So I did get a little scared.

But then, you know, it lasted all, like, two seconds because then I remembered everything that she'd done for me to get me to where I was in that time.

But, I mean, curiosity killed the cat.

I was into it for, like, two seconds because I.

It made me mad.

So then I just shut it off because I don't understand.

I mean, I do understand why those things were said.

And me personally, I think that it's.

They were.

I don't want to word this.

They were mad that they weren't fit for the program and that they were told that they had to leave or that they left.

Whether they were dismissed, they left on their own, they left on good terms, they left on bad terms, whatever the case may be.

But because things weren't going the way they wanted them to go in that moment, rather than learning from whatever mistakes they made and correcting them and moving forward, we're just going to sit there and fester because hurt people, hurt people.

And so, you know, they had all these things going for them.

They had this future planned that they thought they were going to get, and it didn't turn out that way.

So, you know what?

You hurt me, so now I'm going to try and hurt you.

On the flip side of that.

Besides, Anita, did anybody know about my podcast?

We're not afraid.

I'm going to be completely honest.

I googled your name as they told me that you were coming here, and that's the first time I even knew anything about you knew anything about any of it.

So the point I wanted to prove there is, yes, I've been doing national podcasts for a while, but, like, I was talking to La Donna, Everybody hasn't heard of Pretend Podcast, and everybody hasn't heard of We're Not Afraid.

In her mind, there's millions of people that heard this.

Now, of course, she would feel that way because these people have taken ads out right in the Arkansas area.

So there's a lot of people and businesses that not only deals with her, but also with Oasis that's heard this.

But I sat down with her because he's telling everybody, if you ever listen to the show that, oh, this is the best series ever ran.

I'm the number one podcast in the world, and I've got all these accolades.

I looked at Donna last night and said, no, he's not.

I said, you know, one person that actually gets over a hundred thousand listeners every time he puts an episode.

If you go to a podcast chart.

Where does he sit?

He's number three.

If Javier Leva was indeed in the top, he would be in the top 10.

It's not even the top 100.

Which means that the means of people that he thinks he's reaching.

He is not.

But you guys all probably heard there's a Reddit thread.

The Reddit thread is what keeps him alive.

Because those are the people that wants to believe this, because like you said, hurt people, hurt people.

And all of these people don't research into them, has problems.

Okay, the young lady that went on, Anita, because you probably would know, being that you mean the disciplinarian, did they have any disciplinary problems here at Oasis which caused them to be dismissed from the program?

Continuous.

So many different things.

Failing drug tests.

That was.

I can't remember if it was five or six consecutive.

Five, yeah, five.

Constantly.

Like she just.

She wasn't doing her meetings.

I mean, there was.

What else was there?

She got upset because she was face down and that means that she wouldn't be able to keep her phone overnight.

So she chose to leave.

She was not dismissed.

She chose to leave here.

The other thing that was said by this particular individual we speaking about was that when she was put out, she was put out with no transportation, no money, nowhere to go.

It has been alleged, and I'm going say alleged here, but then I'm going to say unalled, because I have it on two good sources that this happened.

One, from an actual lady that was offered this and two, Javier labor told him himself doing the YouTube live.

That's why I would say criminals or people that lie can't tell the story straight twice.

It's alleged that he was giving or paying money to these women to appear on the show.

There was one lady that reached out to me that said, yes, this did happen because Javier Laver and Anthony Christopher offered him.

Offered her $500 to appear in the show.

She did not take it.

One, because she said, well, do you know what $500 would do to any addict?

But the main reason was because that she was not going to partake in any lies against Adonna Humphrey.

Adonna did so much for her that she pretty much told them to kiss her ass and she moved on on the live with the young lady that was there.

He actually told him himself at the end, because at the end he says, well, how's your apartment doing?

Unlike anybody else, we reached out and we gave you money so that we would be able to put you up in the room and we fed you.

And that came out of his own mouth was no longer makes it allegedly right.

These women, when they left, did you feel like they were in active addiction?

Okay, yes.

In your opinion and the rest of the staff, what do you feel like the damage was done by Javier L.

And Anthony Christopher offering them and giving them money to show up to lie?

So I said this to you before, and I'll say again, it's to me, I perceive it as he's giving her this money, but he's.

He's dangling drugs in front of her because she is an addict.

And you give somebody that.

That is in that mental state and they're not working their program, they're not using their support system, they're not reaching out, and then they choose to leave the only place that is supporting them, what are they going to do with that money?

Because they don't want to feel, they want to forget.

And I know her and I.

And I mean, I.

I hope she's doing well.

I still pray for her all the time, but that doesn't.

That is a really shitty thing to do.

To be blind.

Really shitty thing for him to do.

And to tarnish somebody's name and enable an addict in that manner.

Shame on him.

Shame on him.

Anyone else have a comments on that?

Is that it?

Yeah.

I mean, there's a lot of things in my addiction I would have done and speaking on somebody's name, I mean, it would have been the easy thing to do.

And, and to the most undeserving person.

But.

But in your addiction, you don't think about who's deserving.

Like that's your need.

That's all you care about.

And, and yeah, shame on him.

So what, the next time I cheat also given an opportunity to go get a blood test done because she said that our tests were faulty and five and six tests are not faulty.

They're just not.

And she chose not to go get that blood test.

She kept making excuse after excuse after excuse.

So if you're not using and you're being told that you'll be reimbursed for that blood test, you're going to go get that blood test.

So she chose.

She chose to leave.

She chose because she knew that she was doing wrong.

Are you guys aware out of the research that I did that the other young lady was actually very active?

She was freshly doing drugs and she was living.

Living in her car.

Were you guys aware of that?

No.

Okay.

So if you guys ever listen to my show, I was Very pissed on that episode.

I actually called the murderers and I said that they should be ashamed because they gave her $500 to put in her arm.

Yeah.

From what I understand, the girl is still very alive.

But my point was you would want somebody to be slandered so hard that you're willing to give somebody who by looking at this person or these two, you can tell they're very active addiction.

So you can give them 500.

Do you think they can go buy groceries with that?

No, no.

They can go score drugs on that.

So I was very pissed in the episode.

I had to calm myself down.

But I.

My daughter, my oldest daughter is also an addict.

Her drug of choice was pills.

And I walked through with her through all of her recovery.

She's been sober now about five years.

But I just.

It flashes back to my eyes of what if somebody would have did to my daughter?

Right.

Looking at you now, you're carrying with child.

Right.

So he wouldn't have cared if you had a child and if you were putting things in your arm, here's 500 just to come and do this.

And that's the alleged part of that, which I believe that is true.

Anthony Christopher paid Javier labor.

Because if guys don't know this Ladon and I didn't even know who Javier labor was, okay.

Now he's this big Emmy award winning journalist.

Never heard of him.

Okay.

Didn't know if his.

Of his podcast until the day that Madonna called me and said, hey, this guy named Javier labor called me.

He's going to call you.

So there was no skin off our backs.

We didn't know him.

He's getting paid to do this.

That's why this is here.

And ladonna Humphrey is the target.

So those are the two young ladies supposedly I was supposed to either nail in the coffin for Ladonna.

And this is what's kicked off a lot of stuff around Oasis, because now they have two Edge residents on there saying, well, this is what I experienced.

But on the other side of that, you can imagine, nobody ever said, well, what did you do to cause this to happen?

They just ran with what the lie was, and that's what they paid her for.

They didn't want her to come and tell any truth.

They want her to lie on that.

Ladonna Humphrey as a director first.

Is there a board here?

Is there somebody above ladonna?

Yes, there's a board.

Yeah.

Is any of you or the ladies allowed to go directly to the board if you have a problem with ladonna?

Yes, Absolutely.

Has there any, any time that you've asked Donna a question that she wasn't unsure of or needed to get the board's approval and told you she didn't to do that before answering you?

Yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

Is she very organized?

Yes.

Yes.

Can you tell me about any system that you guys have in place here that keeps track of the women that are here?

We have Life360 on the phone.

We have sign out sheets at both houses.

Like it's.

And mainly Life360 is for safety too.

In the next 20 minutes, I'm about to go count and make sure everybody's here on campus and find out where everybody is if they're not on campus.

So there is an individual head count as well?

Yeah, we do count every night?

Every person.

Twice in a hat.

Yes.

So you guys are aware that it's been stated that there is no security or surveillance?

Okay.

There's a camera.

The camera there, that's some at the other house.

Yeah.

You're also aware that according to Javier Lever and Anthony Christopher in this long sheet, they wrote to a district attorney that Ladonna has no clue from one hour to the next of where anyone is.

That's a.

That is a multi.

Also we have to send her our work schedules so she knows when we're at work and stuff like.

Yeah, no, that.

Yeah.

So the live.

So I knew about the live360 because Madonna told me this about a.

She goes.

I don't know why they said this.

We have live360.

Oh, you electronically can track people and.

Tell me more about this.

Did not know, though.

So this is the first I've heard.

Did not know there was a head count.

Yeah, so.

So now that's double.

You have live360 and we have a head count so we know everybody's here.

What is the protocol if you do a head count?

You supposed to have 16, you 15.

That we automatically reported and check on ROI.

360, find out where that person is.

And if we can't find that person, then we alert the Donna and alert and go from there.

Has anybody ever gone missing that you guys know of?

Yes.

What happened when that person went missing?

Oh, we all scoured the neighborhood, walking up and down the streets, searching for her, calling everybody that we could possibly call.

We notified the police, did everything possible to try to locate her within our means and make sure that the police knew what was going on and tried.

To find her that way too.

Was it necessary at that time to alert Ladonna that this Young lady was gone.

Yes, yes.

What was ladonna's response to that?

She said, call the police.

And she was actually, I think she was.

You were willing to come out here to help us look for her also?

Yes.

Yeah.

This is the first time hearing that because I was not on management at the time.

I was a baseline.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

So that's how that shows you, like confidentiality.

Like, I had no idea about that.

Like, the young lady, very high, she.

Had gone out, she had left and got drunk and one of our other managers actually drove all the way to Fort Smith to pick her up, brought her back to campus and then the young lady just disappeared from the house.

She told everybody she was going to take a shower.

And I guess apparently she had had another phone on her that wasn't the phone that we had set up with 360 and everything and just kind of wandered on out.

Now neither.

When you say.

It goes into my next question.

You said you were a phase one at the time.

How many phases are there here?

Three.

Three and then graduates.

Three and then graduates.

So here's the other thing.

Guys going to laugh at this.

Here's the other thing that they wanted to write up to the da, which I laugh because being that I had a daughter that was in one of these homes and I've actually been inside of psych wars before in phases is how you graduate and you get more responsibility.

They had a big problem that addicts, or ex addicts, as they want to call it, was in charge of management of the house.

From what I understand, in a sober living house, this is the protocol because the fact that they want you guys to move up, have some type of responsibility, maybe teach you how to live a life outside of this.

So to all you guys knowledge, is this something that regularly happens in any sober living home with faces?

Yeah.

As far as like the.

The phases, like they have different sets of.

Like I know.

Of two different.

Like they have like you have your certain timeline, you have like your 30 days that you're on restriction, then you're 60 days, then you're 90 days.

We have the phases a lot of.

There's a couple other ones that have.

Phase they call something.

Right.

Then eventually you do move up to some form of leadership because how.

How can we be helped unless the person understands us?

You know, if.

If there's not somebody here that's been through what we've been through, if it's somebody, some Tom, Dick or Harry off the street that doesn't know anything about addiction or abuse, or anything like that.

Trying to come in here and tell us how to live our lives.

Most of us are going to.

Yeah, I've been to another Sugar living house and they have phases just like we do.

They have a house manager that's an ex addict.

They have an office that's run by ex addicts.

It's the same system.

The rehab I went to, every single one of the counselors was an ex addict.

Yes.

The, the, the, the person, the admissions officer there was did nine years in, in prison, you know, for drugs that we, we help.

We keep what we have by giving it away.

Well, that's why I laughed at that, because what you said is absolutely true.

Being, you know, I told you guys I was abused as a kid.

We had to.

I went to psychology and there was a group of us one day and we felt like the person that was talking to us was somebody.

She's never been abused, never been domestically, never been as a child.

But she has a piece of paper that says, I know what you're feeling.

And we all turned our chairs around to each other and kicked her out the circle because we said, only us, only we know what it's like.

We're not going to listen to somebody that has a paper to say, I'm paid to tell you.

Yes, but that's what, you know, I went to Hill and I said, this is how it works.

That's why you said on your interview, I can leave.

I'm here because I choose to be here.

And from what I've seen, you guys all run this place very well.

I'm very transparent with every, every individual here.

You know, I, I don't hold anything back them, I hold the book with them.

In that aspect, as she was talking about, you know, every place, eventually you're, you know, you're in some sort of leadership role, whether you have a title or not.

Like you, you're guiding each other in these places.

And so it's, it's nice to have people running alike, the managers that have went through it.

You know, sweetie, a couple things I wanted to add is that when I first took this position seven years ago, I did go to the board and say, hey, I think we should implement a system where we have leadership from within the house because I've never been in addiction, and it may be hard for them to take orders from me and uphold the handbook.

So we started doing this, then the board voted and we started doing that.

And one of the sober living houses that opened after us that's associated with drug court Took a lot of what we do.

They've put their own twist on it, but I've actually helped them with their handbook.

I help them.

I help answer questions.

Sometimes their director calls me because I've been a director for so long.

So there is that, because I don't have that history, but I get continuing education every single year.

The women can.

They'll tell you this.

The managers.

At any time somebody has a prescription they're getting filled and they're going to send it to me, I can tell you immediately what class of drug it is, if they can have it, because I have to be certified in those things.

That's something I do.

Another thing that was said on the podcast is that I sit around and look at Life360 all day.

And I'm going to let you guys answer that.

She asked us, is there any managers at home?

Yeah, she asked that today.

She literally took the time out type that.

But you have it as on in your phone.

But yeah.

No, she does not.

I.

That's the second time she has that.

She looks at.

She looks at it, but not.

That's our job y here to keep track.

So if you guys didn't know this, she can shoot me later.

But I think it's important to ask you guys this.

You guys first.

I ask this, you guys all feel that Ladonna is a good director.

Yes.

Is there anybody else that you rather work under or four for this house, other than Ladonna?

So how would you feel if I was to tell you that there has been several different times, at least three, that because of this, Madonna had come to the conclusion that she needed to resign from Oasis.

Now, I talked her out of at least once or twice of those times, but when she came to me, she says she had to get out because she didn't want to drag down the house.

She felt like because of the lies that was reported here, she had no way out of it and that if she resigned as the director, then that would go away and take it off of the owners, off of you.

So any funding that you guys may lose or anybody want to help, she will be gone.

Now, the board overwhelmingly said no.

I think they even took her resolution and ripped it up.

But as the management team here, if you did not know that, how does it make you feel that she has contemplated that?

And that's how far this podcast has come.

I did, though.

The captain's supposed to go down to ship.

Yeah.

So that makes me sad.

Yeah, it's that it.

That's heartbreaking.

But it's understandable.

Yeah, I understand her thought process and thinking that, you know, she wants to continue to save as many women as she can.

So if by her stepping down or stepping away keeps the doors open, then, you know, that's what she's gonna do.

But what she doesn't understand is that if she steps down or steps away, it's.

It's not the same.

It's not the same place.

Yeah, like, it's.

It's.

You know, I.

I don't have.

A.

Lot of history with sober living.

This is.

This is my first one.

I've never done rehab.

I.

So I don't.

I don't have the comparison that a lot of other women have.

But I do know that she's.

She's believed in me and she's pushed me when I wanted to quit.

So I was there.

You know, I.

My DHS case did not go the way it's supposed to, you know, involve reunification.

And I went to court one day thinking that it was just going to be a normal update, and I walked out, and I was like, speed.

That was it.

I was done.

I messaged her and I said, I don't.

I said, I don't want to do it no more.

I don't want to do it.

I just lost my kid, and I don't want to count.

Mine's about to go off, too.

I wanted to quit, basically, like, I was done.

I was going to come to campus and pack, but, you know, she wouldn't let me.

And she said that we were going to get through it together, and that's what we did.

So we're wanting to step down and step back is understandable, but it's.

It would do our harm anyway.

And it's between her and Anita.

They're the ones that.

They hold the glue together.

Yeah, they just.

They do.

They hold it together and they.

They're so sticky.

They hold the food together.

It's.

It's really uncanny and almost creepy how they're, like, on the same wavelength sometimes, but it's just.

You can't.

You just can't.

So, I mean, her feelings are valid.

Well.

And I.

You know, gosh, I hate.

It's like, what are these salty things coming?

You know, I'm sure the Pretend podcast would be happy to know that this has been the hardest year of my.

Life.

So I'll give them that.

But out of sheer stubbornness, I'll be back.

I've done everything I can to hold this program together.

I've still shown up to work.

I'VE you know, it's not been the same.

It's not been until recently that it's.

I've even been anywhere near back to normal.

I think the women were telling him, you know, now they'll be like, oh, there she is.

That, you know, that that's her.

So that.

That's been hard.

And, you know, a couple of women that were on the podcast contacted me and beg for my forgiveness, and I gave it to them.

But the damage that it's done, it runs really deep, I think, for a couple, at least.

The people sitting at this table, because we're here, we live it every day.

We know these things are not true.

We know the management team isn't being abusive either.

They're not out running wild, being mean to the other residents.

Nothing happens on this team that Anita and I don't know about.

I talk with the managers all day, every day, and it's just nothing that they said that could have been going on is even possible in this environment.

That's what.

I don't know how to express how you share that information where people can understand on a podcast because they've shared sensational stories that are just absolutely absurd.

I mean, Tara and Anita showed up to my house, and I was absolutely broken.

They can tell you this.

They brought me flowers.

Love you.

Because all I can think about this whole time is like, what are going to happen to these women?

Oh, shoot, who cares what, you know, they're saying about me?

What's going to happen to Sam?

What's going to happen?

You know, I start thinking of all these names, but.

I think so.

And I'll tell you what, I've been.

Through with this, too.

There's some things I want to share with you guys here that I haven't talked about on the podcast on purpose.

But now that I'm ending this and moving on, because this was my final step, whoever, and like I told it, done, whoever wants to believe it, after I'm done here, you got to let them go.

Because I've done the ultimate thing now that no one else has done, and that's bringing it right to the heart of where this is.

And so there's a couple things I'll share with you guys here that I've never said, even though I'm sure that they have an inkling of it.

So all those questions I asked, you, the.

I know you guys saw an increase in visits because they were filing petitions, they were filing complaints, they were calling anyone they could, from the police to the district attorney to DHS There was a lot of calls, I think the two users receiving about visits showing up or people just showed up.

That was because of them.

The district attorney.

Oh, they were talking about how they were out of tax papers, they were out of date.

I mean, there's a lot of things.

The district attorney pretty much told him, we don't have any evidence in this.

Kick rocks.

Goodbye.

So every time they get shut down, they try to go to a whole other avenue.

It has been the hardest room of Donald's life.

She's contemplated suicide more than three times.

Okay, I don't know what you guys saw, but did you guys see like a change in her coming to work after this started happening?

Yes.

Okay.

Wasn't the same person.

The ladonna that I've grown to know in three years is very strong minded.

She's like me.

That's why we get along.

I'm a no bullshit type of dude.

I'm gonna just tell you flat out, I'm very stern.

What I say, I think one of my wife says, I think one of your biggest flaws is that you're very honest.

Is that that's the only way I know how to be.

That's how ladonna is.

I mean, she's quick to tell somebody to fuck off if she needs to do that.

That's not who I started seeing.

So it got to a point to where I was the only person she would talk to.

I'm calling her three, four, five, six, seven times a day.

I got emails and text messages that says, if you don't answer me, I'm sending the police.

You need to get a hold of me now.

My text thread was 2, 3, 4,000 text messages long because of the conversation that I had in between her.

Thank you for that.

Yeah, no problem.

100%.

Our podcast suffered.

Okay.

So she's.

She does two podcasts.

She does one with me.

Extinguished.

And then she did now she renamed it the Lost Girls.

That would buy the wayside.

She wanted to stop writing.

Okay, my whole.

My friend, I'm 1500 miles away.

So it wasn't like it was easy to get in the car and go there.

It took a long time.

This has been going on about eight and a half months.

Just in the last three months, I got my friend back and you guys got your director back.

And I said, you can't.

And every time I thought I said, you can't let these people bring you down.

When she said she was going to retire from here or resign, my question was, do you think that's because do you think that's appropriate?

Do you think that what you should do?

She said, yes.

My next question was, did anybody tell you to do this?

No.

Did the women come to you and say, due to what we've heard here, you need to resign?

No.

So what do you think will happen to them if you quit?

If you quit that whole program?

I don't even step foot in the house.

But I can tell you just from the things I've heard and seen talking.

To Nita, if you resign, that whole.

Program changes, no matter who they send to put there.

That's not Ladonna.

That person may not get out of bed at 2am that person may not give somebody a hundred bucks to go buy some food.

That person may be the person that says, I really don't care if you can't afford to pay the rent.

If you don't pay it, you get out.

So I think you could be the abuser.

That person.

Right.

You know, the one that's going to cuss us out and treat us like we're nothing because we're addicts.

You know, that.

That.

That person wouldn't have the heart or the understanding or the drive or the love that you have for us.

That person wouldn't care what happened to us or our children or our families.

So at the end of this, I want to tell you what I went through.

My first question to you is no la Donald Har.

The way that you do, do you feel like of all the people that she knows, that there would be at least five people that will show up and say, this is not true and try to defend her?

Yes.

Yes.

I know that there's about 17.

So I know that there's, you know, she's.

She's been our support system, you know, through everything, through any personal stuff we've got going on in our lives, whether a DHS case, drug court case, whatever it may be.

And you know, she's behind each and every one of us.

She's always in our corner.

And I think, I don't think, I.

Know.

That through all of this.

She.

Now knows that she has just as much support, if not more support in her corner than we do.

Like, I know that there, like they said, there's at least five of us at this table.

There was a good.

I mean, I can think right off the top of my head, probably a good 20 or 30 that are behind her.

So she has the whole recovery community behind her.

I reminded her that so many times.

And she told me about.

She was thinking about quitting that that's what she was going to.

And to be polite.

And I did say that.

And you just.

I told her, you gotta let them.

Just let them.

You know, doesn't.

Yeah, it's hurtful, but you can't let what some.

All these accusations define who you are, because it's not.

And if she was to quit.

It.

Would just fall apart.

It just absolutely would fall apart in all aspects of her life.

It wouldn't just be about Oasis.

Her personal life would fall apart.

And before I tell you the rest of what I've been through, I have to ask this question, and I'll tell you why I'm asking this question.

Has there ever been any gay or transgender females here in any of the houses that needed sober living?

So I'll be honest.

Well, I shouldn't say the name.

Right.

Okay.

So we.

We let another sober living, same year when the tornado hit last year, and it was the maker break situation.

And ladonna asked me how I felt it was a transgender female.

And I said absolutely, yes.

And that person.

Something like that person took a shower and used my shower the entire time.

So, yes.

Just.

It was making me get.

Because the fear was, is this person was going to have to go into a male sober living home, and that's not what was going to be good for their mental health.

Right, Right.

And so we made the decision that, yes, I mean, that's what we're here for.

Sure.

Did a twin bed over there for her.

And I mean, it was fine.

And she's a human being.

I'm sure there's been plenty of people that have been in this program that.

Are gay.

I don't know that.

We don't ask.

I don't need to know.

It doesn't make any difference on what kind of services we're going to offer them.

No.

And so we don't ask.

And if they offer it up, then they offer it up.

I mean, to say that we're prejudiced in some way against people because of their sexual orientation is absolutely absurd.

That's never been anything that we've discussed.

We had a gay lady on, and she was even on our management team.

The reason I bring that up is she made me.

Okay.

We're really good friends.

She watches my children.

That's not an issue here.

They've made it into an issue because they can't find anything real to say.

That's ugly.

And so they're having to make some stuff up.

And that's one of those things.

So that's the reason that I asked that question because did you guys know that Donald Humphrey is homophobic?

Oh, wow.

Absolutely.

See, Anthony Christopher and Javier labor are both gay.

This is the card they wanted to play.

They played that card on me and try to twist words that I said and I shut them down.

But that's why I asked that question.

So when I asked you the question, if there's at least five people that will come forward, what if I was to tell you that besides the people in this room and the women that are here in the recovery community, and a lady named Amy, out of all of the people that Lagona's helped, out of all the people that she spearheaded careers for, out of all the people that she's been there to give money to if they needed it, what if I told you none of them showed up?

I was the only one and I've known her the least amount of time.

There's a guy right now.

I won't name him, but he has a very big podcast and without her, he wouldn't be where he is.

There is certain people in the podcasting community that had befriended ladonna and did project with her even, thank God for.

You, they didn't show up.

So, hi, here is why they didn't.

And I actually have a woman that wrote me back and told me this.

I started reaching out to various people saying, hey, La Donna Humphrey, some problems.

We know she didn't do these things.

Can you, if you don't want to do on your own, can you come on my show and just tell everybody what you know about La Donna Humphrey, that these things aren't true?

At least you brought me back and said, madonna's excellent.

We love her to death, but we can't be on a podcast because of the work that we do.

Really, we don't want to see her burn.

With good luck to her, but I'm afraid that I'll put my job in jeopardy.

I work for law enforcement, so I haven't say anything.

And I said, well, you don't have.

To give me your name if you want.

I can even mask your voice.

No.

Good luck.

So I went to La Donna.

I said, somebody's got to do something.

And I said, I guess I'm going to.

And she says, I don't want you to do that because it's going to cost you problems.

I said, you know, you're my friend.

When I met ladonna, I had no authors besides her.

None.

I didn't know it was a brand new podcast.

I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna get these authors, because the second part of my podcast is authors.

True crime authors and extraordinary people.

Kind of be that I'm a true crime buff.

My wife, my daughter and I started doing true crime eight years ago.

Authors I came up with because I said, hey, I want to interview independent authors that nobody knows about.

Maybe I can help them push their books.

Extraordinary people is because of folks like you.

I figured, I've been through some traumatic things in my life.

Maybe I can get people that used to be addicts or been through abuse, whatever, to come on my show and speak to people.

And that's how the three facets of my show was created.

The moment that I booked the interview for ladonna Genius Books, her publisher sent me an email.

Hey, this is Stephen Booth.

I'm the CEO of Genius Books.

I hear you're going to interview LaDonna Humphrey.

Yeah, I'm interviewing a Donald Humphrey in a couple of weeks.

Excellent.

I will make all of my authors available to you.

And if you ever go back and listen to my first season, about 95% of all the authors came from Genius Books.

And to this day, because of one interview I did with Donald Humphrey, I still have Genius Books writing me saying, here's authors, and if they're not doing it, the authors themselves are writing me.

Hey, Virginius books.

So I said, the things that you've done for me in my show, I can't just sit back and let somebody obliterate you.

Especially, I know this stuff is lies.

I said, but I got to do my due diligence.

Do you have any proof of any of this stuff that they're saying that is wrong?

She goes, absolutely.

I'll send you all of it.

Then an hour.

I had all of this.

I still have it in my email.

And I said, this is what I'm going to do.

I'm going to start a podcast.

It's going to be called We're Not Afraid.

I said, this is what I'm going to do for the first time ever, because I'm not vain.

So I've never used my face at all on any podcast I've ever done.

I said, but today that changes.

I said, the icon is going to be me.

I had a professional photo taken, and it's me.

And I said, the reason is because I don't want them to have any mistake of who's coming for they don't have to wonder what I look like, wonder where I am not changing my name.

So I started the podcast a month after he started his stuff, they started making fun of it then.

Have you ever heard the trigger alert?

Because I was pretty pissed.

The storm is coming, you know, you guys, you know, truth is going to prevail.

And that's where that's how we're not afraid.

Exposing the witch on the Donald Humphrey began.

These people were evil.

They immediately wanted to know who I was.

They started digging into personal information about me.

They found out how many times I was married.

Wanted to make fun of that.

They found out.

Don't know why, but I had to file bankruptcy in January of last year, which is to save my wife's house because her dad died to do what he was supposed to do.

So I had to file that.

My wife didn't have her Facebook locked down at the time.

They stole pictures of my wife and put up there.

They've called me everything but a child of God.

Even threatened to call my employer.

And this is what made me mad about these other people, is you're telling me that you don't want to put your job on the line.

I work for the biggest, if not number one, number two tech company in all of America and a lot of people already knows that.

But you won't step up and say anything.

So they threaten to call my employer.

They threaten to get me fired.

They didn't know how Apple really works because it doesn't work that way.

But that's what they threaten.

They've attacked me wholeheartedly.

La Donna Moore but me.

And they was trying to get me to quit.

They even went as far as trying to have my whole entire podcast removed off of one episode, which I was telling all the truth.

They went to speaker and said he even did a TikTok about it, that I was spreading hate and I was evil and that I told speaker to remove this episode because it was an episode that I had did on.

On Javier labor about being.

Well, you spill all this, but you were a drunk driver.

I got the police report right here.

So this put some stuff out about you.

He was livid.

I did an episode where I said that I had got contacted by a church, which was not a joke, that said they had heard that there was a couple of gay dudes going after a prominent author named La Donald Humphrey in northwest Arkansas.

And they wanted me to tell them how they could help.

If you ever listen to the episode, I never mentioned the name of the church.

Javier Leyva did a tick tock and said, oh, I'm here.

Following a police report, David McClan on his podcast we're not afraid.

Just said he's going to send the worst gross Baptist church to Anthony Christopher's gay nightclub and they was going to shoot up drag queens.

Look what he said.

I have his voice on the podcast.

Never mentioned the name of the church.

Never said worst growth Baptist church.

To his knowledge.

There's four different churches that actually newly does hate gay people.

Didn't tell you which one that it was.

So they went and they had tried to have speakers shut me down.

I got into a tip for them, but I wanted to move anyway.

When I moved to Captivate, I said, hey, I have this crazy podcaster he hosts.

He's going to call you.

He's going to try to have you take down.

If you have a problem with the.

Episode, I'll remove it.

I says, but I didn't threaten anybody because he's trying to threaten people.

And I said, I have the full transcript here for you.

Here you go.

Sure enough, because they were stalking me, I got a letter from Captivate.

Yeah, the dude, he says, go call me.

He certainly did.

Do you have that episode up right now?

I said, yeah, you can go listen to it.

And they wrote him back and said, kick rocks.

So they've tried to pull me down and ladonna in every way that they possibly could because we're telling the truth.

The end goal for them was to get her to commit suicide.

I was getting emails daily.

Oh, I'm sorry to inform you that Donald Huffy's killed herself.

Why hasn't she just offed herself yet?

Why has she jumped off of a bridge?

A lot of that stuff I couldn't tell at the time.

I can't tell Donna.

That's because she's already on the edge, right?

And there was a lot of things I didn't know that was happening that I just didn't tell her.

I'm like, I'm not going to tell her these things because of that.

I put my whole life, I put my career, I put my integrity on the line.

And somebody wrote me and said, why would you do this for a person at that time that you haven't even known longer than two years?

You've never been to a house.

You've never, never laid eyes on her.

And here's my response.

I don't have to hug her, shake her hands, or look her in the eye to tell you who Ladonna Humphrey is.

I knew who she was the second she turned her camera on with her trademark glasses on the top of the head.

And I said, welcome to the show.

And we talked for 30 minutes and I said, plus, no one else is doing anything.

And between me and her, it's been a whirlwind.

It's been really hard.

It's been more hard because I was watching her go through that stuff.

I'm strong to the point to where I've told him, do what you want to do.

What else you got?

Whatever you're saying about me, I've already been on five different podcasts.

I've told my story.

No, they made fun about me being abused.

Hold on.

And on one episode, I did say, so you guys are hypocritical because you want to sit here and say things like that.

I'm shaming a rape victim because Alicia Lockhart said she was raped.

Well, I did interviews and I have proof that she was not raped.

That's how come the book strangle got pulled, because we found out that she was telling lies.

And yes, I had the actual producer on my show and he said, do you understand that at the end of all of my death credits movies there is an outtake clip?

And he says, the reason there is not one there is because I sold that movie to somebody in Russia.

So the Russian cut off.

So I did my due diligence.

I went to seven different videos that Chris Corner had made and I skipped to the very end.

And sure enough, at the very end of every movie, he did the women that he said, cut.

The women got up, they had drinks, they was laughing.

He he in.

So you knew that nothing you saw was real.

Therefore I said, at least Lockhart's not raped.

So I've been accused of shaming a rape victim.

I says, but you won't accuse me of shaming a rape victim and saying that I'm traumatizing her.

But I was truly a victim that survived this.

So what if I went into some type of relapse or the flashbacks got to me and I wanted to kill myself?

This is the same thing you're saying that you're doing.

Well, they're shaming the women that are going on there, period.

You see, like by them bringing them on there and they're publicly making fun of these ex residents.

That's how it appears.

That's how I feel about it.

They're making fun of them by giving them money and just letting them just go off and talk on rants that are untrue and coercing them.

So shame on them for that, too.

I mean, so.

Well, when the women.

When the women need something down the road, it's not going to be Javier.

They come to.

Right.

We already know that.

Right.

They've already come to me.

You know, not all of them, but some of them.

Where's he's not going to be anywhere near to help these people.

It'll still be people here in the recovery community.

It'll still be me.

So.

So I'm assuming you guys are glad that Ladonna Humphrey didn't quit.

Oh, yes.

And I didn't tell you all this I'm going through for you guys that pat me on the back.

I told you that to let you guys know that there's two people that went through hell and back.

And this was my final stop on that.

And I've told at some point we have to quit feeding into them.

We're going to hit everything we need.

To to prove that you're innocent.

When I said, me coming here is going to be that final straw.

Whoever wants to believe it doesn't believe it.

Plus she said way back she goes, I think she goes, what are you going to do with we're not afraid when you're done with me?

I says, this is only a one shot deal.

I said, I got enough podcast.

I'm done.

After.

I'm done defending you the best that I can.

We're not afraid.

We'll cease to assist.

I'll always leave the episodes up, but I'm finished.

So then she says, well, I think you should keep the podcast up.

Why?

Well, maybe there's other people like me that wants to come and talk to you and maybe I think you can do them some good.

So I'm like, all right, well, I'll think about it down the road to other people.

Maybe you should keep doing this because there's other people.

Did I make this McCaskin?

I got a story.

Maybe you should do my story.

And then I won't say it here because I don't want to know who it is, but I'll tell you guys who it is.

And I was reached out to by somebody else that says they were taking advantage of Javier labor.

And they said, I hope you're sticking around because we want to do this.

So I called Ladonna and I said, well, we're not afraid.

We'll have a second season.

And I said, based on the person that called me, they've accused ladonna of writing all my scripts.

Now, I will tell you this, they're racist.

About 96% of them are.

Because I am black.

They don't think that I can formulate a sentence.

I've told Them several times.

I said, I'm the most dangerous black person you know, because I'm an educated black man.

I know my history.

I know what I'm talking about.

And I've shot more than 700 podcast episodes, and I've never had a script written for true convolutionary people.

I just started that because the cases I want to do and my work schedule and my workload is so overbearing that a certain person kept saying, hey, let me.

I can help you.

Just let me write the scripts.

And I said, nobody can really write a script because if they do, they're.

Not going to capture what I do, Right?

This person did know where the brakes are, where I should be speaking, where I should not.

And I said, fine, I won't fight it anymore because I'm extremely busy.

But for almost nine years, up until that point, never had a script written.

They've accused ladonna of writing scripts for We're Not Afraid.

Anthony Christopher has tried to catch her in contempt of court because there's a gaggle that says she can't speak negatively about him in public.

So he's ran and tried to tell the DA and his attorney that LaDonna's writing all this stuff for me to say about Anthony Christopher.

Then he seeked his lawyer on me, and I think he wished he would have never did that.

You're reading off of, right?

So all of this is from the heart, from the brain, right?

So then he says, well, we're going.

To sue you because I spoof myself, right?

So I.

I have VPNs, but I can appear to be any place.

And so they thought, oh, we got him.

Because how come ladonna's female hitters the same as Davis.

They had this woman who had nothing to do with this case.

Two things that she was this dark web enthusiasts who said, oh, I can trace all this stuff.

And so he sent his attorney, sent me a cease and desist letter and said that they needed me to bring all the stuff I said about the Christmas down or he was going to file a lawsuit against me and it was going to be proven.

And, wow, what would the judge say about this?

And I want it back and says, what would the judge say about, why are you trying to follow and check my IP address?

That's the first one they're going to ask.

Second of all, where's the proof?

I said, VPNs work everywhere in the world.

I said, I can.

I said, do you understand that I can type in laganna's IP address from where I'm sitting in California, and it will route to her computer to make it appear that I'm at her house.

I said, so if you want to mess me with technology, fine.

You guys listen to the episode because I ripped this lawyer a new one to the point to where I've never heard from Glenn Ritter ever again.

So in closing, I just want to let you guys know.

So thank you for taking your time.

You guys answered all those questions that I needed to have answered highest one more time.

So everything that I've asked you guys tonight is true?

That's your knowledge?

Yes.

What Javier labor and those guys are doing, the Pretend podcast, is pretty much bs.

Is there anything that you would like to say directly to Javier Laborer, Anthony Christopher, or any of the trolls in the group?

Because I can tell you that if no one else listens to me, they do.

Hello.

Hi.

Hey.

I'm Miriam.

Hi, Miriam, I'm David.

Nice to meet you.

As hard as it is to do, I pray for them.

I pray that God softens their heart to the realization that what they're doing is wrong and that they allow themselves to change.

Change their whole entire outlook and how they approach things in life and realize how dangerous they are by doing these things.

It's not okay.

So, yes, so I pray for them.

You're supposed to pray for your enemies.

Everybody's a child of God.

Every person on this planet.

She'S always a lot nicer than I am.

I want.

I.

I hope, I pray that.

I mean, I don't word this.

I pray that they.

I know that some of them probably can't empathize with us.

I know that some of them, not all of them are addicts or recovery addicts or whatever.

But this.

I hope, I pray that they realize that what they're doing and toying with all this and trying to cause harm is not going to just affect one person.

It affects.

It's a ripple effect.

And it could affect not just my life, but it could affect my children.

It can affect Sam and her children.

It can affect her and her kid.

It's a ripple effect.

And we need places like this in order to survive is basically what it is.

I mean, I'm not gonna sit and say that if it wasn't for Oasis, I'd be dead because I don't know where I'd be.

I guarantee you I'd probably be still living under the bridge right up the street, cuz that's where I was before I got arrested.

I mean, this place does Amazing things and the people that run it do amazing things and it's just not fair.

It's not fair.

It's childish.

And I'm going to stop right there.

I'm getting there.

I told with Anna at one point.

I really didn't say much about any of the podcast, but I remember telling her that it was the enemy attacking her for all the good that she was doing, didn't want her to succeed.

And that is the enemy working through them to attack Ladonna and the work that Ladonna does because it's all God's work.

She is a vessel for God and everything that she does is truly a blessing.

I.

If it wasn't for her, I wouldn't have this guy.

I wouldn't have my 6 year old living on campus with me.

I wouldn't have the relationship with my teenagers.

I wouldn't.

I wouldn't have anything because I didn't have anything when I got here.

And I probably have even less than what I had.

She is.

Such an amazing and bright wonderful light.

And don't ever let anyone dim it again.

I will, I promise.

I've learned a lot from this.

I've learned who I don't want to be that is happier than later.

Closes out.

I just want to say lasting things.

None of you guys have ever laid eyes with me to the night.

Right?

Right.

You guys did not know I was showing up here tonight.

No.

So this is totally off the cuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I had to google who you were.

All right, guys, so that was the management interview.

You probably heard a couple of things.

I'm not going to go over everything that you heard, but there's a couple things I do want to point out.

Starting with this.

The ladies that went on Javier leave his podcast had disciplinary issues.

I think it was Mel B.

See, I could say that because the fact that she's already put herself all over the podcast.

So her name don't need to be hidden because she's already told you who she is.

But I believe they was referring to Mel B.

When they said she left on her own.

Again, all Javier Liver did was put drugs in these ladies systems.

Once again, whether they shoot it or whether they snorted or whether they swallow it by offering the money to come to tell lies to to make him money.

Also, thing I want to touch on is if you listen, the ladies automatically disregarded the pretend podcast.

One lady said, I got curious, listen to it for two seconds.

I was done because it pissed me off.

Didn't want to hear anything.

The lady Said it wasn't her business of what was going on in the podcast cuz she knows who ladonna is.

It was almost.

If you were sitting there, it was almost like me throwing acid on a vampire.

When I asked them did they listen to the podcast.

So again, Javier thinks he's big pimping and he's all out here and that everybody's heard him.

No, the people in Arkansas only heard him because they took out ads to make that be true.

But out of everybody have ads and oasis between the ladies themselves and now the management.

I think maybe what one or two people said, yeah, they listened to some and that was it.

Management was like, we ain't even hearing none of this.

And they were done.

That goes in handy hand.

I said they did not know of the podcast, therefore they did not know of me.

And I think it's very telling that one lady said that when she heard I was coming because they had to alert the management that I was coming, she googled me.

Now this should tell you one of two things of why she took the time to google me.

One, maybe she was just curious of who in the hell David McClam is.

She ain't never heard this cat.

He coming from a whole different state.

Who is this guy?

Second, because they probably didn't trust me after the BS that Javier Lea has been putting down for the last now almost year, maybe they wanted to make sure ladonna was inviting somebody of good standing into the house now that they didn't trust her judgment.

But they wanted to make sure some yahoo like Javier wasn't going to show up.

Which furthermore makes me believe two things on Javier's part.

Maybe if Javier would have went at the beginning like I did here, and sat down and said he.

These are the things I've been told as a good journalist, I'm coming to the source.

I don't want to put out anything in audio, print or otherwise.

If it's false, maybe they would have talked to him.

But because he went the way of let's pay some people, let's lie, let's drown up all these people that just hate ladonna Humphrey, let's say all this stuff, I almost promise you, if Javier l showed up right now and said this is who I am, but or even if he sent a representative, they're going to slam the door in his face.

That's his problem.

Because they know he's not there on good intentions.

And this is probably why that lady googled me to make sure who I was, was I clean, did I have a record.

What have I done in my life?

Is this the first time I've ever done a podcast?

Am I just some yahoo coming in saying, I just want to sit down with them?

She had to make sure of who I was before I got there.

Those are the things I wanted to hit home with you.

You heard Ladonna Humphrey say some things.

You heard her cry.

I hope you guys go back.

Rewind, rewind, and listen to that.

That was the genuine feelings of a woman that has been through hell and back for no other reason other than jealousy.

And she's breaking down.

She didn't want to because she was there with her women.

She's the director.

Sometimes directors felt they shouldn't show any emotion, but if anybody deserves to show emotion, it is definitely her.

And even at this point, the train still don't stop.

You got people out here that's so disillusioned.

They're writing comic books and like, you change the name, ain't supposed to know.

La Donna Humphrey, all of Donald Humphrey.

And they so damn disillusioned they that good of an author that they're charging 20 bucks.

My cat could write a book better than that trash.

And I'm just saying, this person, you should know who it is.

Oh, but I got some words for her in my last episode.

I hope by now you guys understand the evilness that has went on for the last year of the Pretend podcast.

For those of you out there that is here seeking the truth, I think you already have that.

These last few episodes is just closure for you.

You want to hear what actually happened when I went to Arkansas was, this is now the last bit of it.

There's nothing more that happened except for, like I stated, I did speak, which I was very happy to do at the True Crime Symposium.

I was asked to speak on behalf of true crime podcasters and law enforcement, giving us more leeway to help them with cases.

That was the end of that.

Other than my family and I got a chance to go around to, you know, in Arkansas and see more Walmarts than we probably ever seen per mile in our own home.

So that's all that happened.

Maybe you're sticking around because you do want to hear what Ladonna Humphrey has to say.

Let me tell you something about that interview.

And she may kill me when I say this, and I'm saying this long before we even record it.

The one thing that Javier Lever has not done is given ladonna Humphrey a voice he has not asked her to come and rebut herself.

He has not asked her if any of these things are true.

He has not asked her to legitimately come on the podcast.

What you heard was an ambush done in the same week that he talked to me.

If you listen, he tried for his friend Anthony Christopher, who is an alleged rapist and the cause of allegedly having somebody die in his nightclub.

And remind you of that to get her to go back to jail by trying to goad her into talking about him on air.

You haven't heard her interview between ladonna Humphrey and Javier Labor.

You will hear a real one with me.

But what I was going with this is this she has the choice of what she wants to say or what she doesn't want to say.

And I'm not going to push her on that because it has nothing to do with her being my friend.

This is just who I am as a journalist.

You can ask anybody who's been on my show, they'll tell you, hey, the first thing David McClam says to me.

Before he asked me about any other.

Questions, before he pushes the red button is if there's anything that you want me to stay clear of or not talk about.

And I remind them that if there is something they say that they don't want anybody to hear to let me know and I'll be sure to edit that out.

I am very respectful to my guests.

What I'm saying, so.

So there's some things she may not want to say, there's some things she may want to leave out.

Maybe there's some things that will make her feel like that she appears weak to you.

If she says, let me tell you what I've told her, coming from two separate scenarios, one as being her friend, her best friend, and the other as is being a professional.

As her best friend.

I told her whatever it is you don't want to say, you don't have to say.

But I think that the things, you know what they are, you need to discuss.

Because if you want people to truly understand where you have been and where you are coming from with all of this, they're never going to know unless you tell them.

And I also told, I said my whole life is on the Internet.

Ain't nothing nobody can say about me, cuz it's there.

I've done more than 10 different shows in my life where I've talked about everything from being abused from my dad, from being raped as a kid, all the way down to how many times I've been married.

Everything I said, so my whole life is out there.

You Got to make that decision.

As a professional, I said this interview is for you to get off your chest.

Whatever you need to and whatever it is you do not want to say, you don't have to say.

And as a professional podcaster, I will protect you in that.

I hope she goes with what I said as a friend, but I think by listening to this interview, you're going to already get a little taste of what Ladonna Humphrey has been through in almost 12 months.

And if I have my way about it, this all is going to end right before that day hits of one year.

All right, guys, so that's it for this episode.

Let me remind you where we are.

If you're looking at the road map, episode one had to deal with the interview with the ladies of Oasis.

That one's already up.

Episode two, this one now has to do with the interview of the Oasis Northeast Arkansas management.

Your third episode is going to be, well, me putting myself up against Javier Leyva and what we've done since everybody says he's the world's greatest podcaster.

You want to tune into that one because I'm going to take that in a whole different spin of what I was going to.

We're not going to give Javier Lea more glory than what he deserves, but it'll be good.

So you want to turn into that.

Episode four will be the interview that I will conduct with Ladonna Humphrey, which will lead us into episode five of this road map, which is the final.

You don't want to miss that.

I'mma go ahead and prep you now.

Get your coffee, get your tea, get your biscuits, your popcorn, whatever it is you want to snack on, because it's going to be a long episode.

In that episode, everything that I have not said throughout this podcast will be said.

You will hear exactly how I feel about Javier Lava.

You will hear exactly how I feel about Anthony Christopher, as well as some of these so called friends of Ladonna Humphreys.

You will hear everything I have personally been through in this last year of this horrific web of lies.

And then at that, I will tell you what I believe happened with all of this stuff at this podcast and then we're going to close it.

So anything that you think I've missed or you want to hear, you have to tune in for episode five, which he'd be out and no longer than the next, what, three weeks if you look at the weekly episode.

So next week would be one week, week after that too.

So, yeah, three weeks.

And then we'll be back to close out everything.

All right, guys, once again, thank you for joining me.

Thank you to those who want to know the truth and to those who just want to be trolls and don't care because you have nothing to do but make everybody's life miserable because yours is you can kick rocks.

And as always, although it doesn't seem like it now, but love always conquers hate.

Take care and I'll catch you guys.

On the next one.

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